The horse Exceller won on dirt and grass, he won on two continents. In the same race, the Jockey Club Gold Cup at Belmont Park, he beat both Seattle Slew and Affirmed in 1978. Retired to stud, he bred several stakes winners, but was eventually sold to a man in Sweden. It is cruelly ironic that in the same year he was voted into the Hall of Fame at Saratoga, 1997, he was killed in a slaughterhouse in Sweden.

Once it became public knowledge, Exceller’s fate set off a wave of revulsion in this country, but it wasn’t enough to save the life of Ferdinand five years later. You remember Ferdinand. Won the Kentucky Derby in 1986, but when he didn’t produce in the barn, he was exported to Japan, and when he didn’t produce there, was slaughtered. A Kentucky Derby winner becomes dog meat!

It was nearly a year before the news broke in the United States, and a storm of outrage followed. But what kind of a dent did it make in this country? Not enough to halt the rate of slaughter, said to be about 90,000 a year. That includes all varieties, thoroughbreds, quarter horses, standardbreds, ponies, dray horses, just horses. But horse lovers of all sorts have been moved to action by the slaughter of classic champions.

This is from Furman Bisher Barbaro Book open our eyes.
How meny can we save?

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/sportscolumns/entries/2006/06/27/barbaro_book_op.html

They have a site to post you thought on this too.

thanks debbie. i like the ajc, they are pretty hip.

Found it! Too bad we all don't have the opportunity to march in DC on Friday for the bill. We'll be there in spirit. praying already.

Barbara, like you, I travel alot for my job. Will be willing to spread the word at any opportinuty when I'm on the road.

Gotta go.....off to a meeting that will last the rest of the afternoon.

Skyler

Here are some questions that need to be answered as we begin, i would think:

Do we want to estsablish some criteria around what type of horse will benefit -- do we want to make this initiative solely for former TB racehorses, or open it up to quarterhorses and standardbreds -- anything that's been on a track or bred to race?

Do we include rehabilitation programs to train these horses to be riding horses, pets and then finding homes, or just supporting any type of facility that pensions our old friends in green fields, does the retraining and placement?

Those are my first level questions....

I think the most important thing is making the public aware of the different funds/charities that are available. I personally would like to do something, but don't know anything about it. Maybe a committee or fund can be started to increase adversing, on websites, at races etc. Another idea I thought of is maybe to have some kind of "adopt a horse" so that there would be a more personal connection. The money would first go to the horse you adopt, and then to others in need. I know of a few horses I would like to adopt right now!

I have no direct involvement with race horses; but, I have been involved in riding and owning horses all my life. I would be in favor of supporting organizations that provide a "retirement" home for retired race horses as well as retraining and placement of ex race horses.

The more uses we can find for ex race horse, the less likely they are to end up in the slaughter house.

I have long been involved with the horse slaughter issue--two of the three plants are here in Texas, and I own horses---horrified when I researched the facts. Delighted the Jacksons have endorsed HR503 so CRITICALLY needing your call to your Rep. THIS week, whick apparently you all know about.

TO SAY,the AAEP position paper excuse against the Bill can only posit lamely, that the 80,000 can't be assimilated (presumedly pointing to overbreeding as the culprit..) That is debatable, but even so, two wrongs (overbreeding and horse slaughter) don't make a right--.

If we win and get this through the Senate, how nice to start a Fund aimed at finding and implementing an answer to how these horses will be integrated. Lots of solo voices, but no COHESIVE organization among rescues, Philanthropists,fund sources, etc. I know I have written enough, but such a fund (for organizating the "big picture" assimilation) seems a totally appropriate outgrowth of the Jacksons'endorsement and their high profile example of equine responsibility and compassion.

Being that we are on a TB racing website, shouldn't we first be concerned with the retired/switching career/non reproductive race horses? If this takes off, then it can spread into the areas Julie J mentioned. Just my thought.

My work background is office administrator. I'm unemployed now and do volunteer work for human rights and environmental concerns.

Discovered horse racing at about age 10. Pushed it aside, but never my desire to be around horses. That too never came to pass. Thanks to this website, my love for hr has returned. I would like to be able to contribute even though we are scattered all over - I'm in NJ next to NYC. Also money is a bit tight now-and my cat comes first.

I’m re posting part of my comments from 6/27 and leave it up to you to decide whether the ideas are possible. Guidelines re who would be qualified to receive the proceeds will have to be established.

I don't know how big you want to make this, and I may be way out of line, but if I don't ask I will never know whether it is a possible idea or fantasy.

What do you think of an annual event for the Barbaro/Mike Rea Fund (say a concert?) I'm sure there are plenty of singers who would be more then happy to donate their time to raise money for a Barbaro/Mike Rea Fund that will help animals and people.

By doing it every year, these important issues are not pushed aside.

Half of proceeds from these events would go to a different rescue/career transition/retirement farm for Thoroughbred Race Horse each year. Farms will submit a statement saying what improvements they would do if they were to win (or whatever the required statement asks). In a sense, there will be a Bobby paddock in every farm that is chosen to receive the gift.
The other half should first go to the Rea family to help cover the astronomical medical expenses. But if the idea is acceptable, in future years, it could go to someone else (trainer, exercise rider, groom) that suffers such a horrific event. Of course a decision will have to be made whether the event has to take place at work at the track or elsewhere. Also what caused the event and where?

Sorry, but I don't have the answer who decides what farm wins. Maybe a horse racing publication can make the decision? The event could be held in a different region of the country each year?

Thanks.
Edie

Barbara, I emailed you with a question!

Lisa -- I can't acces yahoo from work, will check for it when I get home.

Hello Barbara,

I read on the other page that you have lots of experience and are willing to help with this charitable endeavor.
I would love to help as I am a small business owner.
Maybe we could all forward to you our different areas of expertise and you could best determine how each could help toward a common goal.

Posted by: Lisa Morin at June 28, 2006 04:01 PM

Did anyone else check out Angel Acres--Kim Brette posted about it. They have a virtual adoption that you can "adopt" a horse on the computer and just contribute money to that horse. It is really cool. You can support it monthly or until it really gets adopted. You can also send a small amount of money just for a bag of carrotsif you want. They have some beautiful horses. I checked out their website with many tears in my eyes. These horses were all bought by Angel Acres right before being slaughtered.

Lisa nad Debbie -- that's a great idea, that way we all can really leverage our resources. Again, you all can email me at: barbaratkerr@yahoo.com

My background is in public affairs, pr, marketing communications and i've ridden since i was 7. this is a personally very important initiative to me, i had to sell my tb hunters -- my own former racehorses among them (former race horses make great trail horses, too) at one point in my life -- one even had a bad heart condition and i really don't want to think how he ended up. this is my chance to do something good again. well, that's my story.

i would personally like to focus on tb retired racehorses with the ultimate goal of saving them from slaughter via finding (and funding) retirement homes for them. not get involved in the 4-6 year olds who are flashy and move well and move right into show barns, but the others who aren't so fortunate.

If we do just Thoroughbreds.
If we do that will the quarter horse people and other horse people dislike our Thoroughbreds fund raiser.
Wayne Nuton (the singer) is big in to Arabians.
And how would we get to the Stars for there help.
adopt a horse, I hate to say this not all horses are adoptable.
What ever we do it's going to have to be BIG Big money

Debbie

Your comment about Ferdinand really got to me. For some reason, I remember that horse and I was just a little kid in 1986. I did not know he was slaughtered. That is sickening to me. I don't understand the owneres especially. Why would you want to get rid of a horse let alone a Kentucky Derby winner????? I know it is a business but so what? They don't produce so lets sell a horse to Japan that won us the Kentucky Derby. Why couldn't they find someone else to buy him...I just don't understand. Surely they own a farm that is capable of housing an extra horse or two. I am so mad I want to throw up.

I think we need to walk before we can run, and get a few "grass roots" successes under our belt first. these are very ambitious plans, i.m.h.o. there are alot of celebs, politicians, business leaders in the tb racing industry -- more than enough clout to get the job done.

http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ReleaseDetail&ID=12925

here's a story on angel acres being awarded a grant this month. great stuff.

First, I think creating a separate forum for this discussion was yet another brilliant idea from Alex ! He's dead on that without a focus, people are likely to lose momentum.

That said, I think as Kim suggested, supporting an existing organization would be easiest. Only to find the right one...but I agree with Jennie(and others) that the focus, at least in this case, in the name of Barbaro, should be retired/ex-racehorses.

I also like Edie's idea of a fundraiser. My first, and I'm sure way too ambitious, thought was "wouldn't it be fantastic to have a second race meet at Fair Hill at the end of the summer were all (ok...most?) proceeds go to charities...both for horses and Fair Hill people in need such as Mike"...it would be a perfect situation for enjoying horseracing, supporting Fair Hill, and networking among organizations that could be invited to come and share there missions with all of us...really get people together (even the blogosphere!). I think it could be potentially huge.

At the very least though, perhaps a yearly race at Fair Hill's current Memorial Day meet named for Barbaro w/ proceeds (from the wagering?) going to his charity?

Just throwing out some thoughts...I'm sure between us all we'll make something really good come out of this.

Barbara Kerr, well said.

Jen, that's a great idea, especially for the first event (should the idea take off). But Fair Hill has to sign on to it.

One of the common words about Barbaro aka Bobby aka Mr. B aka Big Fella and Mike Rea is class. I think this has to be emphasized but I'm not sure how to go about doing it.

More random thoughts: columnists that have been in our corner should be contacted - Maybe they can get their newspapers to agree to sponser this idea. Plus they represent different regions coming together for one cause.

- the columnist from the Atlanta Constitution
- Editor of the Delco Times
- some of the columnists in the NY Times

Someone posted a very thoughtful column from Mr. Claiborne. Wouldn't it be encouraging to get backing from such a prominent person or family?

Edie

Your right Walk before we can run, Yes it should be retired/ex-racehorses with Barbaro's name.
I remember Ferdinand The Kentucky Derby winner. Watched it on T.V. Just like I watch Barbaro and Ruffian. Why couldn't they find someone else to buy him..The meat packers pay more. It is sick! With all the money he made for his owners I just don't understand ither. It is a business, and about money. I wish we could save all of them!

great ideas about outreach to our journalist advocates.

once we get whatever it is we're getting together formalized and solidified, i can write a press release about the initiative and send it nationwide to sports journalists -- we can get their buy-in and some exposure that way, and we need to determine how we will capture those interested in giving.

also the racing trade publications that alex has posted on this site, and those at a state level -- also advocacy through state-level owner/trainer/breeder organizations. it's a groundswell approach.

lots of work on the front end, but it's not rocket science. i know how to set this up, and we can always provide relevant and useful information on a website for those who want more information, maybe even leverage resources through new bolton, or join forces. are there any political things that would make this not happen up there in your community?

Great ideas everyone! I agree as well that the focus, right now, needs to be TB horses....for Barbaro. But Debbie, you bring up a very good point with regards to Arabians, Quarter Horses, etc. They're all God's creatures and should be protected. I just feel that right now, initially, and again for Barbaro, we should focus on racehorses. Then, may I suggest we will be so successful and well-known that we can branch out and move forward with everyone. Great point though, it really is. That's a hard one.

My retired racehorse lives on a farm here with a few other "active" thoroughbreds but I worry about his tb frinds when they're racing days are over, especially one that has leg problems. If I could, I'd buy him but financially I can't do that right now.

I don't believe we can do a meet at Fair Hill, as that is a training center, not an official NTRA track. But, there are some tracks nearby (Delaware) that could perhaps sponsor this.

Let's look to at getting some existing TB organizations involved to give whatever guidance they can on fundraising, etc. I can do this. I have a relative actively involved in the governing body of thoroughbred racing (brother) and he goes to meetings all the time all over the country. I'd like to see what he has to say regarding ways to raise funds for whatever cause we decide to sponsor.

Skyler

Hi Barbara K,

Thanks for your expertise.

You are right, the first decision is what kind of an event we want to hold, when, where and how often. Also who exactly is presenting this event?

What do you mean by political things?

Aren't their legal issues regarding groups/organizations when raising money on a scale as large as this is involved?

Thanks.
Edie

That's very true Alex, good point. The Jackson's should be aware of how their compassion has affected so many people on this site.

Skyler, wonderful news and great optimism about our impending stardom.

It would be very helpful getting information from someone in the racing business.

Thanks.
Edie

Alex,
Here is a link to the article regarding Mr & Mrs Jackson & the slaughter issue

http://www.freedomhillrescue.org/news.html
Once there, click on the June 10th article "Barbaro converts owners...."

Hope this helps

edie -- the mechanism would have to have a 501c non-profit status, and there are administrative duties associated with this. perhaps before we approach the jacksons, tho, we should have at least a defined mission statement of what we want to do, who we are, and how we all came together (very compelling, i think).

mrs. jackson could certainly provide guidance on what our best chances of success would be, and of course, it would be an honor for all of us to be able to work with her on this in any capacity, from what i've read and heard about her, she's a real equestrian, and class act. i heard her interview on national public radio (we have another journalist advocate there) a day or two after barbaro's surgery -- she is a great speaker. did any of you hear that interview?

Hi Everyone,

I don't agree that we should strictly focus on TB Racehorses and would like to discuss this further. There are some great groups out there, that rescue racehorses, that aren't TB.

**Please see link below**
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/14803662.htm?source=rss&channel=inquirer_sports

Thank you- Daphne

Barbara, I think you are correct that we have to start by "identifying who would want to participate, then define our goals (mission/scope stuff), then identify how we're going to do that." To me, part of the mission upfront would include determining who would be the beneficiary of the efforts. Maybe that's the cart before the horse (no pun intended), but I would feel better knowing fairly quickly what my efforts would be supporting. After that comes exactly how we would want to raise funds and consciousness.

Just thinking out loud...I have always wondered how there can be so many charities that basically cover the same ground. I sometimes think "why don't they just all join with a reputable existing charity rather than start over?" Might we do well to choose an existing organization to create a special "Barbaro" focus where all funds this group raises go to a specific cause in Barbaro's name (e.g. adoption or lifelong care for retired/injured TB's.) Or does the group think that it is better to do something completely separate?

If the slaughter bill passes, which we MUST believe it will, there are going to be a lot more horses who need help. It seems to me there will probably be a much greater need for help for horses who have been injured or have some other "handicap" that requires special care, than for completely healthy animals which can be moved into another "horse career." Since this is in honor of Barbaro, I'm thinking maybe we should concentrate on injured/otherwise less than normal horses who need care.

These are all just thoughts to share...don't mean to imply that anyone else's vision might not be better!

I beleive Barbaro's legacy is going to be much more broad and deep than had he won the Triple Crown.

This is great--thanks, Alex, for making this a separate page.

I'm feeling a bit behind--west coast time can do that when dealing with people in the east as I realize it's already early evening back there.

Anyway, Barbara Kerr, you are a godsend! Wonderful that you know where to start with this as that is probably one of the biggest obstacles.

I am here and willing to do anything I can to get this thing off and running and I think Barbara is right that it would be good to have something to present to the Jacksons before asking for their support/endorsement. For all we know, they may be aware of our preliminary plans from checking in on this site--we are hardly clandestine. :-)

I can offer writing skills (including proofing), organizational skills, and a completely unabashed approach in contacting whomever needs contacting for whatever reason related to this cause.

Since we are still at the brainstorming phase, I'm wondering if an online chat room where we could set up "meetings" would be helpful. Having said that, I'm not knowledgeable on how that is done, but if someone here doesn't know how to do it, I'm sure I can find out.

It sounds like that among the people who have already posted here, we have some great contacts and considerable talents to work with. I'm trying to think of an organized way (some online form?) in which we could each address some of the main issues that have come up--starting with who is to benefit (off the track TB's only to start?), how we want to raise money (individual & corporate donations, events--and if so, what kind and where)--all that kind of preliminary stuff that if we were in workable geographic range of one another, we would discuss in a face-to-face meeting.

I love Edie's original idea of a concert(s) and also the one about a racing event--since that's the audience whose attention we want to get--but pulling something like that together before the end of the summer could be tough--although it would be wonderful if we managed to do it somehow--and maybe by then Barbaro would be out of the hospital and able to make a guest appearance.
Wouldn't that just be the best? (Maybe we should plan something for the fall, considering that??)

This seems to be a great beginning--well, no, Barbaro was the beginning, we are just trying to continue what he has started. Maybe the first thing we need, and I'm sure Barbara has already thought of this, is a list of all of us who are interested in working--including our physical locations, just in case some of us could meet from time to time as a sub-group. And, maybe a general meeting could be set up in the location that is most convenient to the majority of us and then some of the rest of us could perhaps manage to be there as well....not to be presumptuous, but as I know a few people of this group seem to be in the northeast, even the general locale of Fair Hill, maybe a meeting could be set up there, or near there...just a thought...as is everything, at this point.

So wonderful to be on the ground floor of something with so much potential to help the deplorable situation facing so many of our fallen and/or aging heroes. Just wait till those clueless sports writers get wind of this!

Nancy
Sebastopol, CA

If the slaughter bill passes,(yes,it must) there will be a lot more horses that need help, not only TB.

For example, please take a look at this link:
http://www.adoptahorse.org/

Excerpt:

Although the horse racing industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, the Standardbred racing industry had made no provisions to support these grand horses when their racing careers came to an end. Some horses end their careers at a young age with injuries or lack of racing ability, but with rest and rehabilitation provided by SRF, these lovely animals become wonderful riding, driving eventing or trail horses. But some retire from racing not healthy enough to be transitioned to a new career. As a result, the SRF steps in to provide the adoption and rescue services necessary to ensure that these noble horses are retired with the dignity and care that they deserve and with the intent of finding them permanent homes. Many are never adopted due to physical condition or age and remain under the SRF’s care in various boarding farms

here again is my e-mail, i'm collecting realtime names and information so we can begin in earnest:
barbaratkerr@yahoo.com

some of you have contacted me already; i'm creating a central repository for us -- nancy b., yes, we are going to need a virtual e-mail room where we can ultimately post documents, information and the like.

this is my first goal: create a group roster with realtime e-mail information and your names, so we can have board meetings on some e-mail cite or other, maybe even a bridge conference call.

nancy, thank you for your kind words, i'm just doing this in memory of my first horse off the track, an Our Native named Tevatron.

Just read the story of Alydar, so very heartbreaking, an horse who gave so much to meet that horrendous fate, much like Ferdinand. Hopefully, awareness can be increased through our efforts in Barbaro's name.

def deleware park where bobby broke his maiden. it will draw media attention like crazy. imho. jeesh, alex, you are a genius!

Barbara, excellent point about contacting Mrs. Jackson with a mission statement and identification. She may already have an idea that none of us ever thought about.

Daphne, it may be best not to take on more than we can handle at the beginning. (I may have been over the top with the concert idea.) We have to make sure that this idea flies. If the goals are too broad, we may have difficulty getting backers/sponsors. That is not to say you don't have a valid goal that all horses deserve if not a second chance then a final chance.

My skills are the same as Nancy's.

Thanks.
Edie

Hi Jane, I was so angry when I learned the story of Alydar's fate. These are the type of people that should not be allowed near animals period.

If I'm correct the final owner ran the farm into the ground and was in debt up to his ears. One wonders whether he would turn on his own kind as well?

Barbara, my e-mail is gingersnap@nj.rr.com

Thanks,
Edie

gotchya down edie.

Wouldn't it be wonderful, if, when this all gets organized, we could plan some type of a dinner or weekend, say in Philly or Baltimore, silent auction or like, perhaps meet Alex or someone connected to Barbaro, and also everyone who has posted would get to meet, raise some money and generally make new friends, all for a wonderful cause....

Ok, I'm on board with everyone else. We can begin with TB and who knows where we can go from there. Edie, I also liked your concert idea and didnt' think it was over the top.. what can I say? Lots of great ideas out here.

This is amazing....something good coming from such horrific circumstances.
I love all the ideas and can't wait to do my part.
Because of you Barbaro, look what you've done!

Hi, everyone:>) I'm just writing to say that I will help you guys in any way that I can for the sake of My Precious Barbaro. I don't know what I could do to help but I'm willing to do something. I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I don't know anything about horses other than my heart was stolen by Barbaro. I just happened to turn on my TV when I saw him get injured. I've been hooked on this horse ever since. I am a great lover of animals and support anything that has to do with "cruelty to animals"...Our Barbaro has brought so many people together from all over the world. Please let me know if there is anything I can do from way out here in the Land of Enchantment. I'll do anything in the name of "BARBARO".

FYI: I've never even been on a horse. The closest I've been to one is when I go the the State Fair here in Albuquerque.

Jeannette, I've never been on a horse either :)

Great ideas and everyone wants to help-fund raising has alot of legal/tax ramifications. Surely we have enough experts in that field who can donate their time/expertise, but you have to put together a mission statement before you can do a marketing plan. Jill Rappaport has written a book called People Who Love Their Horses (or something like that) and she is in the media. Then there are the sports announcers etc who have access to the "prominent folks"-you need a high powered backer who has the ear of the public- our mayor here in NYC has a daughter who is training for the Olympic Equestrian team, also Merv Griffin is an excellent source-a really nice down to earth guy who has race horses, Martha Stewart etc etc.
You can do "roundups"-stable owners giving a portion of their fees-concerts, etc. but all of this takes alot of preparation and know how. You already have experts at Penn U who handle charitable functions. Tap into them and ask for help-it's in the name of BARBARO-who can say no to that!
I'm here to help in NYC if anyone wants to talk about it! Good Luck-

Thank you Alex for setting up this page.

I wish I could come up with some new ideas, but
the only one I can think of would be sponsoring a horse, which is what we do at Ryerss with Gracie.

I will help in any way I can. I'm ready and willing.

Jeannette

Hi Lisa, I didn't know that about Bloomberg's daughter. I live just across the bridge in NJ. I was born and raised in Manhattan, so consider myself a New Yorker.

Is this the same Rappaport (long hair) that was on channel 2 news that used to cover the arts? She might have moved to another channel, but the name rings a bell.

Since this has come about, I have become so motivated to do something to help my first love -horses.

Edie

These are two links to help protect horses. Unfortunately, in trying to find another again (I knew about Ferdinand); I found out about Sunday Silence and I'm still crying. Check these out.

www.oldfriendsequine.org
www.fund4horses.org

I am only a lowly unemployed, ex-manager/cosmetologist, but I can offer my moral support to everyone. I do know that Bo Derek, and Willie Nelson are advocates of the HR-503 bill. They speak publicly against cruelty and horse endangerment/slaughter. Maybe Mr. Nelson could be a contact for a concert contender, with Ms. Derek as eye candy. I am quite sure they both have many other friends and aqaintances that have the same views. Maybe this will help in a small way for you guys, I hope so. Love you all :)

Echoing Jeannette's comments THANK YOU Alex for creating this area on your website.

Jeannette in NM and Lisa M. - I was only on a horse when I went to Horse Happy Farm in PA. The year, well let's say that it was at a very historical time in history.

I think it was near Lancaster. Anyone familiar with the place? I don't believe the farm is still there.

Looking forward to helping out in this worthwhile cause.

Edie

I'm actually heading to bed but wanted to throw out a quick comment just to say...I think we are truly on the verge of something great and I want very much for this to materialize. So, let's all at the very least commit to that goal. I'm sure that could probably go without saying but I'm the kind of person who needs to spell it all out. I feel like commitment is the first step...once we have that, we can do anything. Would love a face to face meeting for us all, which may be possible but until then, and thanks to Alex, I think we have the next best thing. Seems like we have a fantastic collection of people here to do the job...let's go to work!

Hi everyone,

Alex, and Jen, I didn't know that about Fair Hill having jump races. How great is that! My gosh what a beautiful place this must be! Thanks for letting me know.

Barbara, e-mail me and I'll respond tomorrow. I can help with writing, proofing, whatever. That's actually my background and degree, albiet many years ago. My Dad was a turf writer before he died. It's where I came to love horses. I grew up hanging around the backside with him until I went to work for a trainer when I was old enough. By the way, he would be VERY upset at some of the recent articles written about our boy. My dad was not the mainstream "media" type at all and he loved horses. I remember him crying when Ruffian died.

My job is rather boring compared to working with horses, but a job nonetheless. It gets me out of town and I spent a day at Arlington Park, in Chicago, last month. I go to tracks to visit whenever possible when I'm on the road. That being said, I can easily talk to PR departments at tracks to see if I can place some brochures, etc, there for us. Whatever we need.

Waiting to hear what the Jacksons say about this. Alex is right.

Have to run. I think so highly of each and every one of you. I love Jane's idea of someday finding a way to meet.

Take care everyone, be safe, and LOVE TO BARBARO!

Skyler

Count me in as well....lisadleach@aol.com

I am a lawyer (the corporate kind - not the litigious kind)and business exec - and would love to help in any possible way.

Count me in, I'll do what I can. I'm a lawyer too--criminal and civil litigation.

I sent the Humane Society's email plea in support of HB 503 to a lot of people. I got a few snarky comments in reply. My nephew said sorry, he just doesn't like horses. A good friend said wow, wouldn't it be great if pigs and cows had a lobbying group as powerful as horses. Another person just saw the slaughterhouses as jobs for Americans, and thought the proponents of HB 503 were a bunch of "nutcases" and "extremists".

My point being, we're going to need some good, skillful PR to frame the issues and put them out before the public! About ten years ago, a horse slaughterhouse was erected here in MO, in Desloges, intended to export horsemeat to France and Japan. Desloges is a small town that welcomed the jobs the charnelhouse brought. The slaughterhouse was very controversial and, I'm happy to say, it didn't last long. I don't remember why, but I'll research it and post it, because there might be something helpful there.

Some other things I think it would be helpful to know: Where are these American slaughterhouses located, and who are the Congressional reps for those areas? Who works in the slaughterhouses--local citizens or others? Who owns the slaughterhouses? Are these slaughterhouses really contributing significantly to the local economies? Easier to get rid of them if most of the money leaves the area.

Great ideas and a lot of brainstorming ! I would love to help in anway that I can!
Barbara, I sent you my e-mail address !

All this inspired by Barbaro !

Edie--

Jill Rappoport appears occasionally on the Today Show (of the 'other' NBC) as some sort of Hollywood stars' reporter, if that helps to identify her for you. I think it was last fall that her book about famous people and their horses came out--I would guess you could find it on Amazon and maybe see a picture of her there too.

Nancy in CA

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Dallas Crown Packaging (Belgian owned)
Kaufman, Tx
(972)932-3436
info@dallascrown.com

I got these off of a site after doing a search for horseslaughter houses, not sure of the url, I will look again to see.

These are the only three in US.

SUSAN, the site is called www.equineprotectionnetwork.com/slaughter/stats.htm

I hope you find this info helpful.

Alex, yet another wonderful endeavor on your part setting up this particular site.

Supporting an established orgranization as Kim Brette suggested seems like the ideal thing to do. I checked out Angel Acres and found that it is supported in part by Thoroughbred Charities of America and Gretchen Jackson is on the board of directors. Forgive me if you knew this but I did not. It seems to me that it would be easier to just send our donations to them in a fund established in Barbaro's name. With Mrs. Jackson being Barbaro's "mom," and on the board,I think this would be a most fitting thing to do. Just my thoughts for everyone to ponder. Terrific organization! http;//www.thoroughbredcharities.org

skyler -- good morning, can you please resend me your e-mail address or e-mail me (barbaratkerr@yahoo.com), i'm printing out everyone's emails to me so i have a hard copy to reference. thanks.

i bet your dad had alot of passion for his work, you were lucky to have the experiences with him.

i think that schmuck writer (barbaro trots back...) was just going for shock appeal aka howard stern. not to be taken seriously at all.

lynn, i googled and read up also on TCA, and they are well established and get grants, perhaps mrs. jackson can help us identify another worthy resource that isn't as well developed, and perhaps our efforts can have a greater impact. just a thought, but we do need her buy in and support ultimately. if she thinks that the TCA is the right organization and we could have an impact there, then so be it, but maybe we should consider something ongoing after that as well.

happy thursday, all and kisses to bobby and all the animals at new bolton.

Hi-In response to my email yesterday, Jill Rappaport's book is on Amazon. Georgina Bloomberg (the mayor's daughter-NYC) is an expert equestrian hoping to make the Olympics. You can also consider Product Tie-Ins i.e. Elizabeth Arden makes a perfume called "Bluegrass". You can try to get major sponsors that have names associated with a horse.
Bill Gates has charitable funds now between himself and Warren Buffett-don't know how he feels about horses per se but a life is a life-
You simply have to pull together a mission statement with goals and objectives and then decide who to present it to. Also, Beyer (or is it Breyer) is donating money from their Barbaro model going on sale in October. Perhaps (being horse lovers) they have some idea how to "tap in" to horse lovers everywhere-after all they have the mailing list of the buyers of these models-they may not be willing to share that as it is proprietary but it cost nothing to ask.
I am in NYC and can get together with the Northeast people-only a train ride away from Philly! Good Luck

lisa -- i'm collecting e-mails right now, and will be preparing a brief quiery to send to this group. based on the results of that, we will be able to collectively identify what we are actually capable of doing, goals, objectives and then timelines. realistic expectations and outcomes. the mission statement will be done following this. it sounds like you have a good sense for business development, and so do alot of us.

please feel free to send me your contact info:
barbaratkerr@yahoo.com

i trained with alot of the folks in southern california, including cece durante (bloom), mickey hayden, leslie pinkerton, among others. did the hunters, show circuits and i agree, that this target -- members of u.s.e.t. and other national organizations that the show folks belong too are great areas of opportunity. There are lots of niche markets for us, once we get this thing defined.

I will be consolidating all e-mail addresses once I get home tonite.

look forward to hearing from you.

Hi A -- yes, a poll would work, I was thinking about content this morning that would allow us to quickly target exactly what we wanted to do.

I can write the content for the poll/query (want your input, tho first) and then look to you for the best communications platform/mechanism.

Cheers.

Copied from Dora's comment - thanks for the names

Bel-Tex (owned by the French for 27 yrs.)
3801 N. Grove St.
Ft. Worth, Tx 76106
(817)624-1136
Eric Nauwelaers ericn@onramp.net

(I found that this is the 12 district, and the Congressional Rep is Kay Granger not a cosponsor of HR503)

Dallas Crown Packaging (Belgian owned)
Kaufman, Tx
(972)932-3436
info@dallascrown.com

Rep- Jeb Hensarling (not a cosponsor of HR503)

Another Horse Slaughter house in IL
Cavel International (Belgian owned - Velda Group)
108 Harvestore Drive
DeKalb, IL 60115

I called the Capital swithboard and she said the Rep is Dennis Hastert - not a cosponsor of HR503

Edie

I read yesterday, on the Woolley site that the initial intention of this fund was to partner with existing groups and leverage the significant interest shown on the site to help other thoroughbreds not as fortunate as Barbaro. I fully support that intent, however, I quail a bit at the exclusion of other horses. The anti-slaughter efforts and funds to support aging and infirm horses all need our help - in fact, the thoroughbreds are probably in the majority of those horses, given the volume of track "throwaways" (ugh). Would it maybe be taking a higher road to select some of the organizations with a good track record for meeting basic requirements that need to be defined for this project and allowing them to do what they do best? I don't know...I love thoroughbreds, but who can say that a grade Morgan or Arabian or some other warm blood shouldn't have an opportunity to regain whatever level of health that can be managed? Just my opinion. Thanks for this site and for Woolley's - now part of my daily routine.

Regards,

Peg

For all of us with cell phones, I think we should call the reps below (and your local rep) today

Jeb Hensarling
Kay Granger
Dennis Hastert - Speaker of the House

and urge them to pass HR503. When it gets to the Senate, we do the same there.

Capitol number is 202-224-3121

Thanks.
Edie

Dora, oops you already mentioned Cavel.

Peg, your comment points out the need for a mission statement before anything can be done. There are so many great ideas here.

I agree with you about other deserving horses, also concerned with animals in general. Thanks for the reminder - time to bring my collection of food to the animal shelter.

Dora, don't say that you a a lowly ex manager/cosmotologist. You're not! Look at the work that we are all doing so far.

I too am unemployed but my previous job was administrative coordinator - fancy title, low pay considering the work I did, etc..

Since I've been out of work, I've been able to focus on issues that mean something to me and also look for opportunities in the non profit sector. Low pay there but the cause outweighs it; that is if you make enough to keep up with the bills :). Necessity also forces me to check out for profit areas also.

We have to all hang in there for Barbaro, Bobby, Mr. B., Big Guy.

Edie

Yes, I've been energized by the various volunteering, but this site, and meeting (in blogsphere) everyone with the same outlooks is incredible. I like the comment about getting together at a future time- great idea. I want to do something so that we can help horses in the future.

We all bring different skills, but the same outlook, to this venture.

This is so wonderful..to see all of us come together to help with this..you are all intellegent and caring people and have many bright and creative ideas.

My one comment is to rememeber exactly who has inspired us now into this good work. Yes, the Jacksons, Dr. Richardson, and Fair Hills are all incredible and instrumental in getting the momentum started. But it is Bobby himself who has captured the hearts of America and now is positioned to make the greatest impact on raising awareness. I LOVE Willie Nelson and would go to a concert in a heartbeat, if it were to raise funds for horses...but alot of people would just say "oh there goes Nelson raising money again for some new cause" But if Barbaro was making public appearances, I believe throngs of people would turn out to see him. I dont want to exploit Bobby and of course this could only happen if he is healthy and happy and it would be safe for him. But CAPITALIZE on his popularity..HE is the BIGGEST STAR there is. Its His fund. His persona can raise the awareness and perhaps, this may have been his destiny all along. When Barbaro gets healthy again, he will be the best ambassador for all of horsekind that there can be.

Thanks for being the great people that you are.

Leslie in Minneapolis

http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?ID=7156

A national coalition re unwanted horses. Check this out.

As to the ultimate goal of this project we are contemplating, although horses from the various breed racing industries are in need, of course, I would prefer to see this involve ALL unwanted horses of any breed or former use; all who have "outlived their usefulness" (yechh! to that concept) and whose owners no longer can/will maintain them.

We want to outlaw horse slaughter for human consumption. Realizing this goal will result in all these additional "unwanted" horses of ALL breeds and descriptions. I really don't want to limit our beneficence. Comments please?

Also - somebody said - "Think globally, act locally." (will look up source) I agree - I think our end result may better be achieved by assisting existing shelters with funding so that each can take on more horses. Maybe even regular stables could be subsidized to take on the care of some of these horses. Think about those kinds of alternatives/additional possibilities, please.

And all these shelters need veterinary and farrier care. Mobilize organizations of these people to get their support / volunteer work. Just like lawyers do (and are expected to do) some "pro bono" (free work for the good of individuals and the community), we could induce the vets and farriers (and horse massage therapists, chiropractors, etc etc) to volunteer their time to assist the horses who are not slaughtered.

Just some thoughts. And as for getting together, anyone here from the Chicagoland area? I'll be performing in Chicago at Weeds Restaurant and Lounge (Weed & Dayton; near Halsted & North) with my band(s) Friday nite. (details, also my email and phone, on website that comes up if you click on my name below).

CJ (Blackie's Mother & Pleasure's Aunt) in Hammond, IN

I know this will be easier once we have a discussion format set up--thanks again to Alex, and I'm guessing, Eliza, but just to throw my two cents in on the core discussion of whether to create a new organization in Bobby's name that will benefit numbers of horse rescue organizations/facilities, and also go on and not just be a one-time thing, OR to just donate to one or more of the existing ones in his name, I totally agree with Barbara about making every effort to make this separate from anything that already exists--and also to make it on-going. And again, hats off to her for taking the lead!

The "easy way out" is to contribute to already up and running facilities, but does that really accomplish what we want to do here? Neither the Jacksons nor Bobby have taken the easy way out, and I don't think we should either. We have a huge opportunity to do something monumental and lasting here and I would hate to think we wasted this amazing chance just to make it easy for ourselves.

So, those are my two cents about that. I'm sure what Barbara is putting together as a poll for us to register our opinions on will make things infinitely clearer for us and give us a platform from which to launch the mission statement--and I agree that that has to be the first step in going anywhere with this.

Just look at what Bobby has done by taking the route that he has. Had he won the Triple Crown, we wouldn't even be talking here, and
there would be no organized effort from this group (there wouldn't even be 'this group') underway to add significantly to the efforts of those already working to save horses once they've been worn out or cast off.

Those who've known Bobby all his life, always knew that he was destined for greatness, even though no one could have imagined (nor would have wanted to) that it would have taken the form that it has.

Go Bobby! We're hanging on tight as you take us flying around the first turn.....the world hasn't seen anything of you yet, but they're about to!

Nancy in CA

Just occurred to me that I need to clarify that in my mind we are not about setting up a whole new rescue facility per se, but rather, a foundation that will be on-going as a fund raising organization to then funnel funds to existing rescue facilities--like the Gates Foundation that doles out money where it will be best used to serve the purposes that the Gates Foundation stands for.

At least that's my idea...

Nancy in CA

thanks, nancy -- i'm on a very boring conference call, but wanted everyone to know that i will be preparing a quiery/poll that will address all of the topics we've discussed above -- who and what we want to target, who are the beneficiaries, what we can do, and such. I'm the queen of survey work, and even if it doesn't address everything, we can analyze the results and then that will be a big first step to give us clear direction. Alex (our hero) will help determine the best communication platform. More to follow.

we could also serve as a "conduit" or a resource between horse owners who have to part with their beloved animals, and help identify the right retirement facility for that particular case, sort of work both sides of the fence.

Hello, unless I am reading the comments incorrectly, I see a few people bringing up the concern I expressed yesterday of limiting our giving, so to speak, strictly to thoroughbreds.

Hi Leslie, I don't know if people would think that Willie Nelson was raising money again for some "new" cause as I think he has been involved in this for a way. His voice is heard on a website, speaking against the slaughtering of horses, so I believe this cause wouldn't be new to him. I can probably locate the website a little later.

Hello, everyone:>) I'm really amazed with all that's being discussed in hopes of raising monies for our precious horses in the name of BARBARO. I don't know if this idea will take flight but I was thinking along the lines of: having some kind of raffle to raise some monies. Perhaps, the 1st prize could be an all expense paid trip to see New Bolton Clinic and to be able to see BARBARO in person (he will survive his misfortune) or maybe get the Jackson's to donate something of BARBARO's. Like I said before, I don't know anything about horses so I don't know much about the items they use. Perhaps, a saddle, blanket, horse shoe, etc. Maybe an autographed painting signed by the Jacksons, Michael, Dr. Richardson, etc. Just some "food for thought".....

Jeanette

Hi Daphne,

I am glad to know that a wonderful man such as Willie Nelson has been involved all along. Thanks for the info.
I guess I was just envisioning something like this:

Willie Nelson singing a song and giving a little speech to the crowd at next years Derby = wonderful.

Willie Nelson singing a song and giving a little speech as Barbaro walks out onto the track at next years Derby = PRICELESS

Wishful thinking, I know..but wouldnt that be great?!!

Les

What great ideas--I particularly respond to the Delaware Racetrack day and Barbaro appearances, any tours to see him at his stud farm (heres hoping!) benefitting the New Fund, etc! So many fine ideas--

From Texas and 6 years contact with the horse-slaughter issue, a few points: Diane Pikulski at the TRF has been very helpful anti slaughter--they do a superb and innovative job for retired racehorses such as the prison programs---it is my understanding they get a good bit from their annual Saratoga Benefit Day and are--in my opinion-- in good shape compared to many much smaller "hand-to-mouth" rescues of all-horse types.

Check out the AHC--American Horse Coalition. Stating it is a-political (ie refuses to take a slaughter stand) I THINK a derivative sub-organization? includes some major players from both sides TRF, AQHA, AAEP, etc. with the focus on organizing old and new non-slaughter options for "unwanted" horses. VERY interesting to follow, but with no substantive facts, I withhold judgment.

At this point I would vote for a special annual event as mentioned, that may or may not affiliate with an established organization-to-be-determined!

Barbara--

I LOVE the idea of being the conduit between owners needing to find homes for their horses and those facilities that could take them...of course, in the racing business, the trick is getting these owners to think along those lines instead of just selling the horses off for whatever they can get...Gretchen Jackson could be the person we need to get other race horse owners to think as she does and to follow her example of saving horses, whether they can still make money or not.

Of course, from what I know about these rescue facilities, the main problem is that they are full to overflowing--which is where the money donations--on a large organized scale as opposed to individuals giving on their own--come in.

Hope your conference call didn't put you to sleep--I'm sure that would not be the problem were we to have one with this group!

Nancy in CA

Nancy -- one of our functions could be simply to let the owners know what their options are -- an e-mail above referenced a prison reform program, that's another innovative solution. Just speaking from personal experience, when I had to get rid of one of my TBs, I really didn't know where to turn, and to this day my decisions haunt me. Just having a support/outreach mechanism would have meant so much.

No way would this group put me to sleep....it's rainy and thundering outside today -- how is it up there in pennsylvania, ny, deleware...?

LAWDY! All my lengthy musings and forgot my time-critical plea:

the most important thing we can do right now is get our respective Representative's D.C. telephone number and CALL (best route I hear) immediately in support of HR 503 AND ASK EVERY FRIEND, NEIGHBOR, "kind face" to call that number too in support!!!!(FYI: chance vote MAY be postponed till after next week's break but act now in case not!)

Hello Leslie,

Please see below link-
http://www.saplonline.org/horses.htm

You will see your guy, Willie's picture on the website and this:

**** VIDEO: Willie Nelson, Bo Derek, Morgan Fairchild and Jennifer Lee Pryor recently sat down to discuss horse slaughter and the campaign to pass the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act ****

CORRECTION--I mentioned the AHC umbrella-ed group looking into solutions on Unwanted Horses, and said TRF was named as a participant. TRF was NOT mentioned in the edited (SEE)Bloodhorse article "Unwanted Horse Coalition..."--it is of concern to me that the first two organization names mentioned--AAEP and AQHA-- have been both in effect pro-slaughter/against the Bill...(is the Natl. Thoroughbred Racing Assoc also?--it is also mentioned)I have an unsettling feeling which TRULY may be groundless!

I have written too much lately and will be a reader not writer for awhile! susan b

Barbara--

Just curious, since you seemed familiar with the AJC (Atlanta Journal Constitution) in a previous post--are you in Atlanta?

If you are--or even if you are not--I just moved from there to California at the end of March. If you are there, I am only sorry that we didn't meet in person before I left.

And yes, I agree that just being able to provide an up-to-date list of viable options for horse owners needing to find homes for their horse(s) would be a valuable service in itself. Let's hope we can eventually offer them even more.

Nancy in CA

Susan, don't say that. Keep writing.

A great niche for this group was mentioned. Being a source for owners to contact should they be in the position of having to get rid of a horse.

I think for the very beginning we should pick one area, i.e. TB race horses or wild horses. We have to get our foot in the door first. There is always room for expansion.

Someone also mentioned that these things have a way of snowballing - and they do. Once we start, other people may decide they want to something similar for other animals.

C.Jaffe, the Think Globally Act Locally slogan is used in a campaign that I'm helping out on to stop global warming.

Barbara, do you need any help getting information for the poll? Let me know.

The following are representatives from the states that have horse slaughterhouses. As of this morning, none of them has signed on to cosponsor HR503. After checking whether our own Congressperson is on board, if it is possible (if you have a generous cell phone plan), please call these reps offices and urge them to sign on to this bill. Capitol switchboard 202-224-3121.

Jeb Hensarling - Tx
Kay Granger - Tx
Dennis Hastert - Speaker of the House - IL

Thanks.
Edie

'morning all -- bobby had another good day. yay.

nancy -- i deal alot with news media, the ajc gave me a good break on a big, positive story when i first came the the job i'm at now -- will alwaysremember that -- i spent my summers as a kid at camp oon lookout mt. -- a riding camp called valley view ranch.

edie -- i try not to say too muchand let the group come to conclusions for themselves, but ultimately, i believe we need to channel and focus our initial efforts if we are to succeed -- since this is a tb racehorse site, bobby is the reason we came together and he is a tb racehorse, logically that should be our jumping off spot. i.m.h.o.

Hi everyone,

Barbara, I was unable to e-mail you last night. My e-mail is ruffian@cox.net. Please add me to the list.

I need to try to take some time this morning and catch up on our posts so I can be current on our project/passion/mission. It's all I can think about.

Skyler

Hi Skyler -- I sent a group e-mail last nite, did you get it? If not, I'll need to go back to the address book and make sure I typed in your address correctly. Me too, I've formulated alot of things in my head, just need a few hours to lay them out and get them over to Alex, he's been kind enough to offer to do the first polling post, and it's a great first step.

I'm going to work on our project tomorrow and sunday, all. Please give me a few days, right now I'm launching 3 big programs nationwide for my company and my brain is basically one big spaghetti noodle when I get home.

I,too am totally reinvigorated by this initiative. It's been a while since I really got this fired up, and it's great to have something to do with horses.

:)

Hi there!

Let me try again....cox was down in our area last night, hence the reason I'm way behind on all the news. Not having access to a computer was KILLING me!

Will do the forbidden access of personal e-mail at work right now Barbara and see. Bobby's worth the risk, as is our cause. To hell with the job!

:)

I just called my Congressperson's office to see when/if HR503 is being voted one today. I was told it was supposed to be voted on last night but wasn't.

It will not be taken up until after the July 4th recess. So we are looking at a vote sometime in July.

Can someone confirm this with their rep? Capitol switchboard 202-224-3121

Thanks,
Edie

Continuation...

or try your rep's home office.

Thank's
Edie

As an fyi there was a great front page article in the Wall Street Journal back on 09/21/05 revealing that approximately 1000 slaughtered horses leave Dallas every day or week to Belgian, Luc Van Damme as mentioned in Dora Crow's message. There was also another great article in The Dallas Morning News back on 03/13/05 ref the town of Kaufman, Mayor Paula Bloom trying to get the plant shut down that produces horse meat for European consumption. It seems that there are a number of great organizations and dedicated people that want to address this issue - just need to brainstorm the best options that will produce public awarness and pull it all together - and if it had not been for the big guy, Mr. Barbaro, most likely this would never have gotton any further, so here is our window, let's make it happen.

My thoughts,

Gale in CA

Gale -- we have started a consortium of those really interested, if you want to send me your contact information, I'll add you to the list. Always glad to have another Californian on board.

barbaratkerr@yahoo.com

Hi All,

Question: When we have ideas, should we send e-mails to the group or put it on the website or both? For this message, I’m doing both.

I was just listening to an interview with Linda Ronstadt. She’s promoting a CD and they primarily used New Orleans musicians to do something to help the folks there. A bell went off.

Is it possible to get a musical star that is sympathetic to our goals to make a CD and donate a certain amount of the proceeds to the cause(s) that we want to support? Another suggestion to hash about. This is y to first get us noticed by the general public. I believe ways to reach out to the racing world have already been aired.

Thanks.

Edie

Well, we were discussing Willie Nelson yesterday..maybe he would do it... A couple of other things I ve seen around this site: In that cute interview where they have Bobby speaking in the first person, he indicated that there was a woman who has already composed a song about him, and also that a class of school children has submitted a class project that the Jacksons were contemplating turning into a childrens book. My guess on the book is that proceeds there will be going somewhere VERY GOOD

Oh I forgot one other idea I had.

I imagine that all of us went onto the New Bolton site initially when he was first in surgery and recovering. There, you can send Barbaro your well wishes. AND BOY did people ever do that..to the tune of about 20 submisssion A MINUTE. People from ALL walks of life, from horse owners to people who have never even touched a horse. It was an amazing read.....I found myself wishing that I could read them all or at least many of them as they were truly inspring. I was thinking that it would be really a great thing to publish a book with the best of these heartfelt emails. It captured a moment in American History and it illustrates how much people really do care about horses. This is the time it seems, that Americans are focusing on the horse, thanks to Bobby. No one wanted him to die...everyone wants him to live. And that is exactly what you guys want for all horses. Proceeds from this book would of course be donated to the results of your efforts.

I like Leslie's idea about a book that captures each and every e-mail wish to bobby on the New Bolton UPenn site -- that's a real example of horselovers from all walks coming together -- proceeds from that book could, perhaps be more globally distributed to all types of breeds/outreach.

I was also thinking of developing a website as one of the first things we can do, and promote it as a resource where we could link up both horse owners who have to get rid of their horses, and the retirement centers -- it could serve a unique need i don't believe is being met right now -- it could even have portals on the home page for ex-racehorses, wild mustangs, regular backyard/pleasure horses (didn't mean to be derogatory).....then have appropriate resources there. Just one idea that is really low tech that it seems that there are some of us who have more daytime to devote to researching things out, developing content, and such...it's not a big investment of money. of course there are more components but that is one thing we could all do together -- i love to write website architecture, and alex can provide guidance on site development, it could be hosted and managed through funds we generate, or initial donations from us even, i for one would be happy to contribute to this initiative in terms of both brain power and $$$.

I am the one who said I was keeping quiet awhile...HOWEVER, it so happens about 4 years agoI donated to Habitat for Horses and Lone Star Equine Rescue(then separate) to have such a list of options compiled to be available to horseowners no longer able or wanting to keep their horses.

It was pretty extensive and put on Habitat for Horses website (there are usually money pleas on it AND lots of slaughter/Bill info) If it has been removed, request its whereabouts from Jerry Finch at admin@habitatforhorses.org. It may need updating and was never totally comprehensive, but a fair base. HOWEVER----

Once again,though, BY DEFINITION the Unwanted Horse Coalition undoubtedly should be in the VERY BEST position to now even or soon provide REALLY GREAT information/compilation for the horseowner---from equine therapy schools to rescues/sanctuaries ++++ETC--see that Bloodhorse article. My hesitancy/ questionmarks on it aside, it certainly bears investigation!

This was written in response to an email I got from Edie; in addition to replying to her and the group list that Barbara Kerr is compiling, am also posting it here.

Hi, y'all.

Same query as Edie - should we be airing our ideas on the website on the new fundraising thread, and/or among ourselves via this list?

Edie's idea sounds good to me. (having a big star do a CD and donate part of proceeds) Some possible artists (besides Willie Nelson) include horse-lovers William Shatner (he does these goofy readings of lyrics, won some awards I think last year), and Cheryl Crowe (sp?) who was one of the artists featured on an Animal Planet special a while back of celebrities who are into horses. And don't forget Madonna (equestrienne - much publicity when she broke her arm in a riding accident last year)

And Ellen DeGeneres is a big animal protection/rights person with a horse penchant, she does lots of fundraising via her celebrity and her daytime talk show. Though not one to put out a music CD, I think some of her specials are available for sale, and we could seek part proceeds on that.

Best to all - CJ in Hammond IN

http://www.saplonline.org/horses.htm
Check this out Willie Nelson fighting to stop the slaughter of horses.

This is a copy (plus more stuff) of what I just sent to those who have indicated they are interested in working in earnest on getting this fund-raising thing underway--additional people are welcome, of course (send email to: barbaratkerr@yahoo.com to get on the list).

To answer the question—that is, give my opinion re: where to post these messages now that we have “a group within the group” (fundraisers as a sub-group to the Barbaro supporters/fan-club), I think that any message that could inspire or stir up anyone else’s imagination—like the CD idea—should be posted to the message board to attract any possible new people to the fundraising group. Once we get to a point where we are hashing out the multiple points of minutia, then I think the posts should stay within our sub-group. Just my opinion....

Of course, I love the CD idea too—and maybe once we get that far, it could be a compilation one--(more organization, for sure)--but one that would include a number of artitsts—that would have the widest appeal and attract the most attention....and then MAYBE some of these individual artists would pick up the banner and do a whole CD of their own, with part of the proceeds donated to our cause. :-))

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And the book idea of a compilation of all of the thousands of messages sent to the UPenn site for Barbaro is fantastic!!!

As soon as we get our mission statement down, I can see that we will need to divide into committees to investigate all of the many and great possibilities.

Love the web site idea too, Barbara--the cost of having one hosted can be minimal when you go through something like GoDaddy.com--really incredibly cheap to maintain. Biggest thing is getting one of us with the required talent to design it and then appoint some one of us to keep it maintained and regularly updated--this is not hard to do, even for the technically challenged.

Gale, I'm so excited to know there is someone else interested in this group in my area--I'm right next to Santa Rosa (in Sebastopol) and would love to meet you some time--we could do some face-to-face brainstorming. :-)

As Barbara said, I too cannot remember when the last time was that I've been so fired up about getting something accomplished--and to think of the many, many horses that will be helped just puts me over the top with enthusiasm.

I just keep thinking what a seemingly cruel and strange twist of fate is bringing all of this about.

Nancy in CA

FINALLY I have an ALERT worthwhile for you all. Over all rescue + organizations I have mentioned there is one person at the heart of what is going on with the rescue and other needs situation on all horse--race and otherwise- levels and intereracts with many top people and organizations.(she would not herself want to flaunt that, and indeed will be uncomfortable with these words)

Her name is Jennifer Williams--she used to be head of Lone Star Equine Rescue before it merged with Habitat, and then she started BLUEBONNET EQUINE Rescue (a personal website I think also now is Vanbasti.com). Beyond all that she has the ear, RESPECT and TRUST of so many in the industry.

She also compiled that list of outlets for unwanted horses 4 years ago and was VERY much on top of--and ahead of-- it even then.
She knows more than just rescue too. She's done huge horse benefits, brainstorming horse leadership conferences--she's the classiest, finest, most unassuming, DEDICATED, KNOWLEDGEABLE insider horseperson I know in the subjects/questions we're posing here.

I just e-mailed her and asked her to look in on this site and give us some feedback. I HOPE she will, and will adequately identify herself when she does! Over and out for a good while!

susan - please invite susan to write us at: barbaratkerr@yahoo.com and if nothing else, get put into our fledgling database.

Susan--

That is so great that you have contacted Jennifer--maybe if time won't allow her to get as involved as she might otherwise,ll she could be a consultant/advisor to us. She sounds like an incredibly wonderful person--I especially am drawn to the classiest, finest, and unassuming parts of your description of her, on top of her apparent-by-her-accomplishments talents and abilities . what an honor it would be to have her join us in any way that she could.

Please, don't you (Susan) stay quiet for any length of time--we need you and your brain power!

Nancy in CA

susan b -- please ask jennifer to contact us, as i went through the website and she has a very wonderful, diverse background. she could be a real asset in sharing her experiences over the years. There are many of us who also have significant skill sets to bring to the table. All of our postings are worthwhile.

Some really great ideas out there! I especially love the idea of a book about Barbaro, including meesages/postings from the public's response etc. Some great photos (Barbara Livingstone?)...Perhaps some interviews from Alex? I think that would be very cool.

And at the risk of any of your disapproval, I really do think we should focus on thoroughbred racehorses...if only initially. To me, Barbaro is the inspiration for this and while I certainly care about all horses (animals), it just makes sense to me that we'd focus on his area. Ex-racehorses, retired racehorses. Funds for existing rescues/rehabs and loved the idea for a web site pulling resources together. Otherwise, I'm afraid we're trying to tackle too big a mountain.

I also still think a nice trophy race at Delaware Park (or even a flat race at Fair Hill) in Barbaro's name would be cool.

Would be ideal to have the Jacksons' input on this...

heck, i'm throwing my towel in the ring and agree with you, jen, we should start with tbs who can't race anymore. we have to walk before we can run.

Agree with Jen's comment. It will be too much to handle at first and will also cause backers/sponsors to pull back.

Susan B, way to go!

Thanks.
Edie

Add me to the growing list of those who think we should tackle saving TBs off the track first--we need to start selectively and then branch out. :-)

Nancy in CA

I also think it will be good to focus on TBs first...things can always expand. But it seems to me that attention to TB racehorses that were never as famous, talented, or high profile as Barbaro would really be appropriate. And I keep thinking that maybe we should even start with the injured or sick ones that need extra care (and $$). Barbaro has certainly opened a door to shine a light and help others, no matter whom we pick to start with.

I remember being at a Renaissance Fair about 10 years ago in Wisconsin and sitting in on a very poignant demonstration by a group that rehabilitated hawks, eagles, etc. after major injury. The organization that helped with rehabilitation was small, but when someone asked "Isn't it discouraging? How can you save them all?" the answer was: "We save them as they come to us, one at a time." I think if we can start with a narrow focus, save one horse, then another, then another, it will all multiply and really make a difference.

Barbara,

I forgot to give you my email address; it's girlcat830@yahoo.com.

Dora, thanks for the slaughterhouse info. I am encouraged to hear that at least one mayor wants the place in her town gone. Interesting that none are owned domestically; neither was the one in Desloges, MO.

My two cents: start with TBs and expand to include other horses as the organization gels and funds increase.

There has been mention of celebrity involvement and some stars' names have been mentioned. Great idea about Willie Nelson--does anyone have a connection to him? I believe that Vigo Mortensen is also a horse person.
I'm off to do some researching on a few things.

Didn't Yumi! Brands sponsor the Derby? Wonder if they'd be interested in some corporate sponsorship of the Bobby's Paddock project? It would be appropriate. Are other major races now sponsored by corporations...?

Susan B., great pick up. It would benefit both us and them if they were to go along. It is always better to start out with something that you have or is familiar. Yum Brands is familiar with Barbaro.

I wonder whether this is a situation where Mrs. Jackson might lead the way and advise on a good sponsor?

Have a great holiday everyone!

Edie

Sorry s/b Susan E.

I have mentioned the book idea to Barbara Livingston in a recent e-mail. She has had several books published with her photos but didn't feel she had enough of Barbaro. She did mention that she would love to get more of him.

I love the idea of listing the e-mails Barbaro received (and still does ). I have saved some of them for a scrap book I am making !

The Book is a very good idea ! A combo of photos, well wishes and comments from Barbaros connections.

Funny Cide has a childrens book out, as well as a story of his life!

See how the Jackson's feel about this !

I also vote for focusing on TBs to start. So many great ideas whirling around - the book, a race at Delaware Park and/or Fair Hills, celebrity backing, Yum Brands backing, etc., etc. Wish we had a way of communicating with the Jacksons to get their thoughts. What about input from the Fair Hills connection, e.g., Michael, Peter, Kim, Kathy Anderson? I bet we could even get Edgar involved somehow. Kim Brette led the way for us. How does she feel about our ideas thus far?

So many great ideas I'm catching up on here this morning. Haven't checked my other e-mail account yet but I agree we need to still post here when we can to attract new ideas/people.

The website idea is excellent and will give us an opportunity to really drive the focus and exposure.

Jen, right with you on the trophy race at Fair Hill or Delaware!! That would be so great. Plus, here's an idea....maybe get a special blanket for the race that is signed by the Jacksons, Michael Matz, Peter and Kim Brette, Edgar, Eduardo, Kathy Anderson, Dr. Richardson and Alex. Auction this off at either the venue where the race would be held or on e-bay. Along with a blanket....photos as well, all signed. Geez, I'd bid!

Dare I hope the above people would take the time to sign?? My only concern would be the availability of Dr. Anderson & Dr. Richardson. Bobby is not, after all, Dr. R's only patient and Dr. Anderson has many horses under her care.

That book idea, compilation of e-mails, photos, etc, is incredible and the best yet!

Another thought I had last night on attracting celebraties is contacting Monty Roberts. I'm sure alot of you have heard of him. For those of you who have not, he has written some books on horses, the human/animal bond, he's a "horse whisperer". There are others out there as well.....I think it's something to tap in to as a way to attract well-known backers on board.

As do all of you, I keep brainstorming.

Skyler

Hope you understood I mentioned Jennifer Williams giving suggestions only because I knew her knowledge and that she would not be "out for herself." Forget all that now--the time has come to level with you on what I have learned. Please understand why I must begin with "it is my understanding, or to the best of my understanding, and in my opinion"-------

The problem is not 80,000 unwanted horses. Possibly as many as 60,000 (one estimate I heard) come from large ranches where horses are considered economic units and it is to protect the ranchers' rights to dispose of their property however they wish economically that this is ALL about. There is no over-breeding--the ranchers want that money per lb. as soon as the horse can't work the herd. Those horses are WANTED as economic units paid for by the slaughter plants.

One further, the practice of "culling"---foals that won't make it as a ranch horse are taken right away to slaughter so some money is received for them--the ranchers want that right to remain of course as well. FURTHER--the worst--in Texas a horse that is taken to auction without a Coggins automatically goes in the Kill pen, no family can bid on it--Think: if you are a rancher you can tear up a coggins on a horse and ship say 60 at a time to auction, they all go in Kill pen and money is quickly made--if the rancher took a Coggins papered healthy 14+ yr. old horses one by one perfect for families to buy, that takes a lot of time, money for Coggins, and likely no more money--.

Regarding the AQHA: I believe---but I have NOT or am NOT able to verify--the following: all if not most of the AQHA Board are ranchers, the membership of AQHA has not been polled on this issue,--i.e. the Board has taken the stand for slaughter, many ranchers register horses--which is real money to the organization, easy turn-around in horses/volume benefits $$$ all.

Regarding AAEP: It is my understanding the Assoc of Equine Practitioners has polled its memebership. (It would be interesting to see if it breaks down between ranch-area vets who may share mentality of seeing horses as livestock vs. eastern anti-slaughter states areas where race/jumper thoroughbred horses have a high, even mythic value to the owner--and owners can deduct I THINK a GOOD amount if/when they are put down--need to check this!) And too, it makes understandable sense to me that they would be concerned not just for the "abandoned horse" but also that they would be called on for free services and time.

"Mom and Pop" unwanted horses are NOT the problem. There is no overbreeding or unwanted (i.e. economically not viable/profitable) horses in the economic system of the Cattlemens Assoc. members (or the vast majority) as long as slaughterhouses serve them as they do for their cattle.

FINAL wrinkle: What the incredibly high-paid lobbyists for Cattlemen's etc are not likely saying!: ("It is my understanding") that the big fear is that the animal groups will then next go after the methodology of killing cattle, sheep, ETC--and this above all--their right to dispose of their property as it is economically best for them--would be endangered. That ain't happenin'..

You could say the horse slaughter issue boils down to whether the horse is livestock or domesticated--(def: tamed and trained for the use of man)--. All state voter polls are against horse slaughter, but against that are the ranchers who own the majority of horses being slaughtered and the right they believe to them as economic units like cattle.

Obviously some ranchers give or sell their horses to families and racehorse/jumper etc. owners let their horses go to slaughter. But that's not the norm (in the southwest ranch states or the racehorse east--"my guess"--the pro-con lines are clearly drawn between groups).

I will not be revisiting this site--too much current pain--I fear we may not win the House (I think we have the Senate)and HOW I want to be wrong!!--but I hope you understand better MY understanding anyway, of what we have against us.

Hi Susan B and everyone,

A lot of bad news there and everything seems dismal. What's going to happen is we win some issues and lose some issues - no one can get around that.Also, never forget the power of citizens united. Technically, all in DC are our employees.

We have to start somewhere and with one issue. Wealthy lobbyists are a facter with every issue. There is no getting around that one.

We are just trying to first create a niche for ourselves where we can help protect some of these wonderful creatures .

Good point about the cowboy economics with regard to horses, and changing their status away from livestock. These issues require lots of money and power. Somthing to be considered later on. Perhaps when things evolve, we will be equipped with economic suggestions for people living this lifestyle

We can't afford to blast ourselves out of the water before we start.

I am a bit of a history buff, but I urge everyone, as a bit of encouragement, to google some of the quotes made of John Adams, Ben Franklin, Abe Lincoln and even Dwight Eisenhower. These people never gave up and neither will we.

Happy Birthday everyone!
Edie

susan b, i think you take yourself far too seriously. best of luck to you in your future endeavors.

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You know, no matter what anyone can think of that needs doing/should be done/would be good to do, there will be obstacles--and often major ones at that. You don't have to delve very far into history to find hundreds--probably thousands--of examples. We can start with just looking at all the obstacles facing the repairing of Bobby's leg.

The surest way to defeat is not to try in the first place. Even if all that Susan has pointed out is "the way it is," and I don't doubt that it is, that is all the more reason for for us to plow forward and do whatever we can toward righting this atrocious wrong--and I know there are so many of these atrocities out there that we can't tackle them all, but we can still make a difference in some way--and perhaps even a large one.

I say that we take this additional information that Susan has provided and use it for even more motivation than we already have--and that is saying a lot!

Onward. We owe it to Bobby.

Nancy in CA

Here here Nancy! Onward! We'll get there. I would rather try and fail, then not try. We will raise money, all because of Barbaro. We may not be able to save the world (or all the world's horses) but we can try, right?

Nancy is correct in stating to continue to move Onward. We must have a goal to move Forward, and stay focused Upward. With prayer, determination, legwork, teamwork, it can be accomplished. No negativity can be interjected in this path, because it will only slow you down. Go for it, with the gusto you have had from the beginning! :)

Boy, Susan b's post makes me want to do this even more. Unfortunate she will not be revisiting but I think you hit the nail on the head Barbara.

skyler

personally, i think she ewas just messing with our collective heads. not nice. we're good people.

Yes, yes, yes and yes. This date is a very good start for the beginning of this mission? (I want to say quest, but we want this to be ongoing and evolving.)

With a little help from my friends - Barbaro you've got friends.

Edie

Hey gang - Tim has the first poll question up and running, and wants us all to go there so he can test whether it works. Please go to the poll on the left side of the page. THANKS.

I'm willing to give in on INITIALLY limiting our beneficence to TB's but only because we have to start somewhere. I would not want the ultimate goal to exclude non-TB's.

With reference to several posts above, re considering YUM foods as a corporate sponsor, on the private email discussion we have vetoed that idea because YUM owns Kentucky Fried (documented history of animal abuse), and I wanted to post that info on this Board as well so that others who may not have known about this can stop spending their money there.

I also voice in favor of compiling and making accessible, info to assist owners needing to re-home horses. If you haven't already, pls check out www.canterusa.org as an existing resource. Love those happy endings!

CJ in Hammond IN

Ooops, I meant, ALEX has the first poll question up. Excuuuuuse me! (I had them confused in the beginning, and am reverting out of habit.) CJ

C.Jaffe, no problem with me not to consider Yum Brands. I don't eat at KFC anyway. Certainly not after learning this information.

Edie

Another site to look at - http://www.oldfriendsequine.org Some fundraising ideas can be gleaned from some of the things they are doing - auctions on Ebay, participation in Horses Helping Horses at Kentucky Horse Park, etc etc. They are having an open house at their new facility on July 8; and I have emailed their wish list to our little group. CJ

Alright, which one of youse guys voted for Jazil? Did ya think noone would check the results? I am SOOOOO disappointed in one of you people! I want to pinch your little heiny for that one. I am just jokin, ya know...everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as long as it doesn't differ from the majority of this sites. LOL I hope all y'all are having a GREAT holiday weekend, no fireworks for Alabama, too dry. Fire hazards abound!

BARBARO--YOU ROCK BIG BOY!!!

Evening All,

I have been reading all the posts for the fundraising ideas. Here is the opinion of a non-horse person:

1. Yes, start with the TB's since Bobby inspired this endeavor. A goal may have to be set in the beginning as far as the number to help. I gather from the things I have read and heard it is expensive to care for a horse. Then move on to other horses later. Need to crawl before attempting to walk.

2. Helping an established group would probably be the best until this one has "legs" and can venture out alone.

3. The book and CD sound like good ideas. Instead of seperate projects, combine them into one; a book of pictures, get well e-mails, newspaper and magazine article etc. and include a CD of all the tributes put out since Bobby was injured and the possible contributions from the music community. Of course permission from the related parties would have to be obtained. Maybe a DVD in the same format could be considered. I already see the front cover and the inside of the book in my mind's eye.

4. I know a website was mentione also and believe that is a great idea. Could promote the book or whatever comes from the brainstorming ideas.

Ok all you horse people, what can an unemployed dog loving/retail/medical business/amature jewelry maker do to help?? I get overwhelmed with all the horse jargon of reschooling and breezing etc. and feel out of my league to attempt with this endeavor. I have been trying to educate myself, but this stupid car accident lawsuit has me distracted and I am wary(spelling ?) of volunteering to help. Did this once before with another group that wanted to start something and got burned, hence my wariness.

I do read alot on the LSU website and found articles on the Katrina recovery. If those guys can do what they did right after the hurricane, so can we. They mapped out a battle plan on Sept. 1 and plunged ahead with gusto on Sept. 2. They did receive help later from several groups. These are the people that helped: The United States Equestrine Federation, American Association of Equine Practitioners Foundation, Blue Devils Horse Platoon and of course the LSU Vet School and the LSU Equine Health Studies Program and all the volunteers. Just some other organizations at the national level to throw into the mix.

Just a few thoughts.
Donna

One more before going. A limited edition of a book with autographs from Barbaro (should say hoof print), Edgar, the Jackson's and everyone else concern with Barbaro.

Hello Donna -- it sounds like you have alot of skillsets we can use to get this mission off the ground. If you are interested, I've been collecting all contact information and I can add you to the data base:

barbaratkerr@yahoo.com

i'm sorry about your accident, but the stay home period will be well appreciated by all of us if you choose to help.

all the best. barbara

Donna , great ideas ! I just mentioned the same before reading your comments ! Keep your ideas coming!

Maybe I could see what my company is willing to do...maybe SunTrust can help with some promotional stuff once you guys are in place with what you want to accomplish...I can be researching that portion... as i love barbaro and all animals...I would love to help in anyway i can.

email me with any ideas or areas where help is needed. I would be proud to devote my time. I was part of the campaign that made headlines to save a television show...Roswell, the tabasco campaign...look it up...that was very sucessful...they went on to raise thousands of dollars to help fund research for a disease that was relatively unknown.

sorry, if you want to read about what they did, you can find the info at www.crashdown.com

hi autum, glad to have you on board in spirit. if you'd like to join the initiative, here's the new link:

In_Honor_of_Barbaro-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Hi Everyone

I am very very happy that you all liked the idea about the book of Barbaro emails etc. I am just like Donna..I truely dont know anything about horses except that they are magnificent and beautiful creatures.
In light of Susan B's despair, I'll submit the following:

AS a teenager in the late 70's I worked for awhile in a group that opposed steel jaw leg traps and fur slaughter. IT always seems like a no win situation when you are up against mightier powers than yourself. IT sometimes does feel like you are swinging your sword at a windmill. But never a day has gone by that I am not proud of myself for fighting and trying. Knowing that something I said or did might have made a difference. One tiny little thing. In order to be a relief worker,a social worker, or an activist, you have to delve headlong into the situation....study it, learn it, and counteract it. Sometimes it means looking at a harsh reality, but you cant turn away. For the folks here that really understand these horse issues, I can see that you already know that and at least some horses will be the better for it in the future.
I am not quite sure yet how I can fit into the picture that is being presented here. I will keep watching this post and try to figure out just how I can best contribute. I dont know alot about the issue, but I can see dedicated and enthusiastic people here and I know that I want to support you.

I also feel that somehow Bobby has inspired us all to keep going till we reach the finish line.

Leslie in Minneapolis

Hi Leslie--

As things progress, I'm sure it will become clear as to how you can help in this effort (most of us are not really clear about what we can each contribute yet, but it will come).

I would just suggest that if you're interested in joining the group to find out where you could evenutally fit in, go to the web site that Barbara posted (the post before yours) and sign on. If you rely only what is posted here on this message board, you will miss 95% of what is being discussed.

As it is, the Yahoo group is just now getting organized and the initial technical kinks worked out, but in short order it will be the way to keep up with what's really going on here. Until we had this set up for us, we have been communicating through an e-mail list that was set up for those of us wanting